Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: To me, mental health should be totally evacuated from the vocabulary of providers and really should be, you know, your health, your health is your wealth, your health is your vitality. When I started all this over 30 years ago, it was like all woo woo stuff, right? Like, it was all woo woo. Nobody really understood what was happening, although we knew it worked, right? But now we have, we have so much science to back it up, and so now we really understand so much more that your mental health is not, it's not mental health, it's your freaking health. It's affecting, you know, at least 1400 chemical responses. It's shifting your whole biology.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Welcome to Harmonize youe Life, conversations that inspire, awaken and harmonize. I'm your host, Kingsley Willis, and each week we talk with experts in functional medicine, therapy, technology, quantum biology, and personal growth. Today we have Laurie Thiel joining us to discuss some practical strategies for achieving emotional balance. I'm also joined by Michael McDonald, co founder of Aya Fit, and Amanda Carpenter, Aya's CEO, as co hosts. Lori, thank you for joining us. And tell us what brought you to Aya. Let's just start right off the bat.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: So what brought me to Aya is, number one, the values of the platform, the transparency of the platform, the mission of the platform, to help awaken consciousness and for the planet and to spread. To spread and raise the vibe to love instead of fear.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: I love that.
So tell us about your journey of.
Were you always in this space or just give us the, give us the breakdown of how you got to where you are today.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Well, if you're talking, Are you talking more like about the holistic perspective and the energetic perspective? Is that what you're referring to, Kingsley? Okay, yeah.
[00:02:00] Speaker B: Was there like a, an aha moment that, that moved you into this, or was it sort of like always there?
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Well, I feel like I've always been most connected to nature and animals growing up. Life was really chaotic at home. And in my home environment and nature and animals was the place that I found solitude. So there's some essence of that that's been woven into who I am, I think, from the very beginning. And I was always somebody that could recognize and see patterns in the environment and in other people. Though, you know, when you're growing up, sharing that voice with your parents wasn't always the best place to share that. And so. But I think really what woke me up more and more to that was, number one, the birth of my daughter at age 19. That's not like the greatest time, really, in retrospect. Looking at the most healthy time necessarily to have a child.
But in that moment, I was actually able to recognize the innate power that lived within me. And so that was like a really big shift in my own wellbeing at that moment. Like life wasn't just something that happened to you. There was something more in its essence of being able to birth a child. And that aw ness and that awareness of what my body could do, that was absolutely life changing for me. And then shortly after that, I got super, super sick with an unknown illness.
And at this time, I'm now 53. And that happened when I was 22 years old. And in those days, they didn't know what chronic fatigue virus was, but they gave me a chronic fatigue syndrome. You know, that syndrome thing that says you're really sick but we don't know what the heck is the matter with you? And I'm talking about a level of fatigue where I couldn't walk from here into the other room without absolutely having to lay down to go to sleep. And I had a young child.
So it was on that health journey really into wellness that really allowed me the opportunity to kind of take control over my life and what was working for me, what wasn't working for me. And the deeper I got into that knowing, the more the spiritual aspect of my life showed up as well.
And I think that's where vibration kind of comes in, because every. Excuse me, every layer of a pattern that I would heal, whether that was an eating pattern or a viral pattern or a relationship pattern, every level of healing made me more aware of the spiritual aspect of what was possible.
So there's a little bit there. I could talk about this for days, but there's a little bit right there.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: Well, I love, I love that you've shared that and I appreciate that because, yeah, that's definitely relatable as a parent.
You know, obviously being a father is different than being a mother, but that having a child young, my wife had, so her mother had her pretty young. And I think the relationship they have to this day. I don't know if you're familiar with Gilmore Girls, but it's kind of like that.
[00:05:43] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: So that is it. You know, are we. Are we best friends? Are we, you know, mother, daughter, and they talk every day, even though she lives in Europe, her mother. So, yeah, talk a little bit more about that. Like, what was that like?
And you mentioned there was a shift that was going on there. And then we'll get into some of the. We have other guests here too, people, you know, so I'm gonna.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Get them to talk about how they met you.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So as far as that time period, I felt like when you're really sick, right. When you're chronically ill, and I would say at that moment, I would consider myself chronically ill because it took really.
There was a trajectory, and I think I'm still on that trajectory, but there was a time period where that illness really ruled my life. Okay. Every decision from when I was going to brush my teeth to, you know, how I was going to take care of my daughter, you know, I wasn't able to work. So my life got very, very small. Right.
And I think, I think there's some really beautiful opportunities in that. When life gets so small where you kind of have to make a decision about, you know, do you want to live or you don't want to live.
And it's in those minute, you know, in those really minute moments of awareness of making those choices because you couldn't worry about the big picture. Like, you know, where am I going to move into this great house? What's my great job going to be? What's my profession going to be? How am I going to make impact? Like, none of those things have any sort of meaning at all when you can't function on the day to day thing. And so, you know, to this day, I think like, health is our biggest wealth. You know, it's our biggest.
It's the most impactful thing that we can be sharing when. With one another is our health.
Yeah. So I. So, and I think there's been moments along my journey where, you know, even through my divorce, my first divorce of 17 years of marriage, you know, there was another opportunity for like the whole world around me to shut down. And my world became very, very small again. All the roles that I thought that I had had left. My daughter was going away to college. My son was getting ready to graduate from high school.
I had left my community. I had left a private practice. I'd left a job where I had worked for 26 years. I'd left a marriage. And really in that marriage was what I referred to as the first family that I ever really had where I really felt like I belonged somewhere. And that was all gone. And so, you know, I was so grateful in those moments to have had this journey already through my health crisis, because I actually had tools to help me navigate a deeper level of awareness of even the relationship patterns that I was stuck in. And I remember one night, you know, feeling so devastated, wondering like, okay, so who am I. And. But I don't really know what to do with myself. And I felt so depressed and so dark. And there was an owl that was. Started hooting outside the window of where I was staying. And you know, the owl says, this was a barred owl. And it went like this, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo. And I, like, heard that sound and I went to this knowing that was deep within me from previous awarenesses of my health journey of, well, I'm a child of light. Like, I'm light and. But I'm like, now what? And I heard the owl go again. And the owl said, what? I heard the owl say this time was, you need to start at the nucleus. And I was like, what the hell is the nucleus? I don't know what the nucleus is. Start at the nucleus. And it was like, oh, start from like, that place of what are my needs? Like, what are my core needs? What are my core values? And in that moment, well, I said, well, I need a place to live where I can, like, my son can feel safe. I need. I need a job. I need money. And so the next day I got up and I called a real estate agent, I called my credit card company, and I called the place that I had resigned working from for all those years. And I had a better paying job, unfortunately, with more responsibility, but a better paying job.
I went and I found this house that I'm now living in, which is just an amazing thing that I had always dreamed about having a house in the country in a rural area surrounded by wildlife, and I got a cash advance on my credit card so I could start paying for everything. And there you go. So within 12 hours, my life totally shifted because I was able to listen to, you know, this vibration of, you know, awareness around me and connect to that.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: Gosh, I love that story of the owl.
That sounds a lot like Amanda. She's always telling me about, you know, listen to the animals that cross your path that may not normally cross your path. So that's my awkward segue.
Tell us, how did you and Amanda meet?
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Amanda and I met several years ago at this point when I was just starting my nurse practitioner journey, and there was a client that was a mutual client between the two of us. And, you know, she's a brilliant.
She's brilliant when it comes to functional genomics and nutrition. And, you know, when I growed up, I wanted to be just like her kind of thing. You know, I wanted to see like, what is that? Who is this woman? Maybe could I potentially work with her, you know, how could I learn from her? And that's sort of where it started. And in the beginning, I feel like I was still caught up in this idea of I'm not quite enough. And Amanda is, you know, this way that she knows things is so phenomenal and so amazing. And there was like a little bit of, I don't know, like, tension is how I describe it, because I was comparing myself to her rather than just being with her. Right. So we talk about the layers of relationship and the layers of being, and when there's. When you can get the ego stuff out of the way and just be with each other, like, that's when the magic really happens. And so I. I feel like that relationship kind of was there in the distance, and then I don't even know how it happened. Amanda, whether it was through a spiritual thing that we were doing together, we found ourselves in that the sisterhood aspect of things really came forward and the friendship began to deepen. And to be honest with you, Kingsley, I feel like she's my soul sister. And, you know, my life is so much more rich with the quality of relationship that Amanda and I have. And also like, the vision of what we want to build as community together and in a world that we want to be able to co create together.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: Wonderful. Okay, so I'll turn to Amanda. Tell us your side.
How did you. How did you two meet?
[00:13:41] Speaker C: So I'm thinking It was 2000, like 13ish.
So it's been. It's been well over 10 years at least at this point in time. And as Lori shared, when we first met, it was a client that we had in common who basically was kind of like, you two should meet, like, and knowing this client who's incredibly intuitive. And so we met up for coffee and it was actually my husband, Jason and I, and Todd, her husband, and Lori. And I still remember the coffee shop that we met in. And it was basically we were talking about the practices that we had. And so Jason, my husband, was my office manager. Her husband was looking to step into the role of her office manager. She was starting her journey. And that's what our initial, like, conversation was about.
And I didn't know it at the time. Looking back, I had the energy of like one foot in the PT practice and one foot out. Because at that point in time I identified as a physical therapist. But, like, my soul knew that there was something bigger. But I was in the midst of a health journey. And so as I followed my own health decline and journey and started to get these different accolades and certifications and whatever, and learning about functional genomics, as Lori shared, and health coaching and consulting.
We kind of grew apart for a time. And now looking back, I can see why, because at that point in time, I was just entrenched in the science of everything and working in the chronic health world, helping some really amazing doctors solve some of the most difficult cases. But looking at the supplements and the lifestyle factors and the diet that people had. But I really wasn't focused on what I see as the foundational piece now, which is the vibration and the electromagnetic field around the heart. So after playing in that world for a few years, I took a step back and I was like, what is the common denominator of those patients who actually step out of chronic illness and really thrive in life? And I was like, they do their trauma work, you know, and trauma will go into trauma at another time, but we all have trauma, right? They do their trauma work and they really start to get in alignment with their authentic selves.
And so that was a pivot that I made in saying, like, I'm going to do that with clients first instead of last.
And I'm also not going to work with clients who are stuck in that victimhood where, you know, illness survivors serve some of us sometimes, you know, illness served me in that. It slowed me down, it stopped me in my tracks because I was over committing and too busy and had too much going on, and it served me. But the difference was I chose not to stay in that victimhood. I chose to use it as an opportunity to move beyond it. And so that's the discernment with clients that I worked with, is are they looking to stay in victimhood or are they looking to thrive and just naturally, as I was living in this new world of heart rate variability in the heart fields, in the spiritual world, that's when Lori dropped back in. And again, looking back, it was perfect timing because it was like our vibrations both were very, very different. And those that spend any time with us will call her Joy and me love. They're like, oh, here comes love and Joy. Because we are just our authentic selves, right? Like, we are our absolute authentic real selves. And that's whether we're working with a client who has, like, really significant trauma, we do immersive experience experiences together, or if we're like having fun with our husbands together, it's the same version you're going to get of us. And so that relationship of authenticity really just deepened. And it's been a few years now. And so when I was introduced to Aya, part of my discernment and my filter for whether or not I was going to work with Aya was, can I bring these relationships with me? Like, I have the most amazing conscious relationships and conscious community around myself. And can I bring them with me? Like, do I see a place for them with what I'm going to be doing in the world with Aya? And because the answer was yes, that is. That is one of the reasons that I said yes to stepping into Aya. And that's where Lori is now, on our medical board.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: Wonderful. I love that connection.
So let's connect with Michael, who's also on the call here.
How did. So Laurie, how did you and Michael first meet and talk and what was that like?
[00:18:02] Speaker A: So I met Michael through Amanda and actually the first real face to face conversation I had with him, Amanda and I were at an entrepreneur conference in Austin, and he and his wife made the time in their schedules to kind of drive across town, which my understanding of driving across town in Austin is not necessarily the most easiest thing to do, but they wanted to just be able to reach out and like, physically connect with Amanda and I while we were there. And so that was super thoughtful. And when I met him and Francesca, like, the presence of the two of them and the level of compassion that both of them had was just an immediate attraction for me. And then. And then I got. Amanda invited me more into the Aya, the foundation of Aya and the values of Aya and what the vision of Aya was. And then.
And so my dance with Michael, you know, I feel like is just beginning and I'm super excited about it.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: Wonderful.
[00:19:15] Speaker D: Me too.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Go ahead.
[00:19:17] Speaker D: Yeah. Can I jump in on that? Yeah. So when I first met Laurie at that hotel in downtown Austin, like, she just bubbles with joy, right? And there's some. There's music playing in the lobby and she just couldn't contain herself. She's bopping around like she's just a dancer in her heart and soul. Right. Like, you put a beat and I can just imagine her. She's the first one out there. Just come on, everybody.
I see her as the life of the party.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:19:51] Speaker D: But, you know, and we haven't had a lot of like, one on one time, which I'm looking forward to. Lori, because you are a very unique person in my world. Right. I mean, you're a seasoned nurse practitioner in psychiatry. Like, I don't know anybody in that realm. You know, you're a Reiki master. You're you know, you're. You're steeped in hypnosis. You're like all of these ancient. You're a shaman, you know, on. I mean, your. Your resume is long, right? Like what you. What you do and what your skills are, and you're just a bundle of joy on top of it. So, you know, I guess for me, personally, I'd like to kind of start it like, you know, what drives your passion for holistic wellness?
[00:20:43] Speaker A: So what drives my passion is, you know, as grand as it sounds, is really to alleviate as much suffering as possible.
Though I think that there, for some reason in the human condition, I feel like suffering kind of helps hone us a little bit, so we recognize that we don't really have to suffer, but somehow it's in the. The hurt and the pain that we actually find the pearls, the wisdom, the joy, the truth of really who it is that we are. Because otherwise we're counting on our external world and what shows up and what, you know, it's kind of like living in the matrix, right? We think all that is real and that identifies us. And.
And while it's certainly real, you know, there's way more to it than that. You know, we hear about things like the Secret and that, you know, that life is a living. Earth is a living organism, and that everything is vibration and light. And, like, we know that through physics. But I think what really drives me is like, helping under. Helping other people wake up to that reality, that potentiality of that spark of beauty and oneness and life and creativity that lives in all of us. Like, it doesn't matter what socioeconomic system that you live in. It doesn't matter what part of the planet that you live on. Like, it's an innate.
It's an innate gift that's available to each and every one of us. And. And that's really. I think what drives me, Michael, is like wanting to, you know, every single human being to be able to understand and recognize that about themselves. When I first had, like, you know, we all have heightened experiences. Whether it's the birth of a child, we can call that a heightened experience, right? This bigger of awareness of something else. When we watch a sunset, that can happen when we. When we are witnessing somebody, you know, in their death journey, we can see that happen. But I feel like those opportunities, they're available, you know, every second of the day. If we pay attention to that and if we're open to that, it doesn't have to be in these one big blurps, you know, like, there's a huge shift with wanting to move to psychedelics and in the psych community. And that's beautiful. Like, beautiful opportunities to step into more profound experiences, to understand who we are. But it's beyond those peak experiences that we have to integrate that into our knowing and our beingness in order to, like, live through that vibration and not just have it be the next high or the next heightened experience of oh yes. But then when we're not living in oh yes, then the rest of the world feels like darkness and hell. You know what I mean? And it feels like. Like a bipolarity, a huge duality. And I don't feel like that's real. We don't have to live in that duality. We can live closer to the middle, closer to our heart.
[00:24:05] Speaker D: That's beautiful. Beautiful. Now, you've got a lot of tools in your toolbox.
You know, like I stated earlier, right?
You've done a lot of things and a lot of different certificates, a lot of studying and practicing.
Now, at this point in your life, through your journey, where you've arrived at now, is there, like, a certain tool that you use over and over again when you're. When you're helping somebody? Like, like, for example, do you have, like, your own personal hack that you like to use over and over again? Is there a certain tool in your basket that you reach for more often than others?
[00:24:43] Speaker A: You know, it's so interesting you say that because, you know, I'm not aware of the processes necessarily until somebody asks me, but I think the one tool that I use over and over again, that's kind of become a hack. It's something that a spiritual teacher had mentioned to us at one time about how to align our subtle bodies and connect to source. And I've kind of hacked that experience a little bit more and creating it as a boundary exercise of being able to teach people how to tune into really what energy is, right? And what that energy feels like when it comes into our field and when we. And how we can say no to it and shift it back out of our field and it's through that alignment exercise of connecting to earth and source and connecting to our heart. Explore expanding that field out in front of us, right? So that 12 inches or whatever, arm's length all the way around us is our own aura. It's our own bubble. It's our own field, okay? And we get to say yes or no to whatever comes into that field. We're just so unconsciously saying yes or no to everything that we can't discern what's coming in and out of. And so one of the things that I've. That I've. I guess I do use with everybody is, is that level of discernment of what's coming into their field and what they're saying yes to and. And, you know, what choices that they have around that and just making it a dance of energy instead of a big, long story.
[00:26:29] Speaker D: Wow, that's beautiful.
You know, was there a time when you. Have you always been this open and spiritual and. Or was there a time when you were more like the science, the math, the more, you know, a certain way of doing things? Because you seem so integrated, right? You've got the science, but you also have the spirituality. And, you know, something that keeps coming back to me is something I shared with Amanda recently is, you know, I saw this quote, quantum physics is where they hide spirituality, right? And, you know, I see science is here, but I see this whole thing above it, which is what's called, you know, quantum physics. But it's just. It just is, right?
What's been your journey as far as, like, have you just always been this open person and saw both sides and you operated from both sides of the brain, or was there a journey in an aha for you to where you're like, wow, there's more than, you know, what's in the textbook?
[00:27:33] Speaker A: Well, I think I've always had both sides of the brain, really. And I'm not sure why, now that you asked that question. I'm not sure why, but I think I've always had both sides of the brain. Right. So, you know, along my journey, early on, when I.
When I first started working in acute mental health care at a private psychiatric hospital, you know, that whole foundation at that time, that was a really awesome program. That was before managed care came in, and they had dance therapy and psychodrama and art therapy. And then, of course, there was the other side that was very science and was med management and all those things. And so I got to really witness the opportunity of what art therapy did for people, what psychodrama was able to do for people.
And. And I think I've always been able to see energy in some way, though not really understand it, Right. Because it wasn't something I could talk about with other people because I was, you know, was labeled other things. And so I think I've always had kind of both aspects where I've gone on and I've done the science, learning of things to appreciate, you know, that framework. Okay. But I also have noticed how very Limiting that framework can be. In fact, I really notice how limiting any framework can be.
Right. Because we can get stuck in it. And so being able to kind of move in and out of each framework to pick and pull the things that feel the most true for me, I guess, is how I've been able to integrate. I so appreciate you saying that I've been able to integrate it because it's nice to have that mirrored back. Michael. So thank you, but.
So any particular spot? Going back to your question, I feel like I was doing the science level aspect of things. And then I had this amazing opportunity at one point to do my hypnotherapy and breath work certification, which was four years of really integrated deep practice of working with the same group of 30 people through the Wellness Institute. At that time, they were out of Issaquah, Washington, and I really wasn't credentialed to be there. I was a nurse at the time. They wanted therapists. I wasn't a therapist. And yet I had done enough in this psychiatric experience and leading groups that they said, well, come on in and do this. And I felt like that was a huge turning point in my own journey, in my own wellness and my own look at relationships. Generational trauma. It's also the place where I learned about what a more healthy connection was and healthy communication was. We also did vision quests. We walked on hot coals. We did sweat lodges, we did chanting and meditation. We learned about, you know, at that math heart bath was just at that moment, heart math was really just beginning. But there was. There was stuff around heart math that was integrated into that. And so it was in that moment that. That I started to see how much.
How much our beliefs affect our wellness. And I didn't understand it from quite a heartmath perspective in the way that I do now. But I knew that breaking up the energy in the body and removing the patterns and getting people into their body, not just in their head, with regular psychiatric kind of mental health conversation was imperative. And then going back into the hospital setting, trying to teach people that who really didn't want anything to know about that because they had switched to a managed care thing. You are in the hospital for seven to ten days, and if you didn't do any med changes within a couple of days, then the insurance said you didn't belong here anymore. So, you know, it was kind of like this constant abrasive kind of thing with working with any sort of system. Right. Of in any sort of authority system. So having to kind of break out of that and trust my own knowing enough to step out of all those systems to really create something that I felt like was more meaningful to other people. Because otherwise I felt like I was living a lie.
Does that make sense?
[00:32:06] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, one more question, then I'll pass the mic. Cause I've been a ball hog here. But then this is a question. It's the first thing. Boom. Like it's the first thing that comes up to your mind, right?
[00:32:20] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:32:21] Speaker D: If there was a common thread or theme amongst all of the clients you've seen over the years, what would that common theme be?
[00:32:31] Speaker A: The common theme would be trauma.
[00:32:34] Speaker D: Any particular type of trauma?
[00:32:37] Speaker A: Most of my clients are sexual trauma. But I have, you know, can be anything can be labeled a trauma, but sexual trauma has been a big one. But anything health traumas are also another one that I see a lot that come into my practice.
And I would, and I would say the commonality is people have tried so many other things in order to get better and they haven't. That they haven't been able to have lasting results. And so that's when they end up coming in to see me. And through utilizing a bunch of different modalities, including breathwork and hypnotherapy, including nutrition, including lifestyle changes, including doing the belief work. You know, homeopathy is also another amazing modality. And people start to get better, like, and it's really beautiful to be on the other side, watching somebody blossom and have their life change and the opportunities that they see now for their own well being just emerge. It's the most beautiful thing. Michael.
[00:33:48] Speaker D: Do you see a common trigger or a wake up call for people? Like, is there a common thing that happens that all of a sudden they see the light and they have a shift in perspective?
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Well, most of the people that are coming to me, you know, Amanda's words of people change out of desperation or inspiration. And most of the time when people come to me, they're not inspired.
They're actually quite desperate.
And, you know, it's like they're hanging on to some level of hope one more time to come in and try one more thing. And so I think that's the thing that I see the most is like the level of desperation of really like, okay, I've tried all those other things. There's a moment in here that I have to surrender to something. I just don't know what that something is. And I don't know what the container of safety is to hold me in while I surrender. And I Think that's the. That's such a huge aspect for any of us who need to surrender one part of themselves if it's a. And sometimes it's a huge story, like a huge part of ourselves that we need to surrender in order to, you know, vibe up or heal or whatever language we want to use, you know, live a life worth living is the one I usually use, you know, and we have to have a container where it feels safe enough in our vulnerability in order to surrender, you know?
[00:35:13] Speaker D: Mm.
Well, you bring up an interesting point, because it reminds me of a time years ago I did this seminar, and it was personal growth, and they had us write our story. Like, we all have our stories, right? You know, child of divorce, you know, unloved, unrecognized, Right? You know, all those, you know, worthy issues, like, write the story. And it was interesting writing that story and then. Then reading it out loud to my partner at the time, you know? You know, in your group, it really takes the heat off of it. And almost, you know, there was a lot of laughter, tears, chuckles. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, some. It takes the heat off of the story by writing it down and then sharing it with somebody.
Have you found that exercise of value?
[00:36:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So we do a lot of storytelling in here, for sure. And I think what's also really interesting, right, is when we start sharing our stories, even though the story might have different characters, right?
But really, the stories are generally all the same. No matter what the experiences are, like, they're still the common thread for all of us is, you know, am I worth? Am I worthy? Am I good enough? Am I lovable? You know, what is my purpose? I want to know who I am. Like, that's. That's. That's a human story, right? I mean, that's just the story of, you know, humaning. And I think when we. When we can really understand that and just see that core, that core commonality, it starts to build a bridge of heart connection, right? Like, you know, we think our shame is who we are when we're carrying that around, but that's not who you are.
That's a second. Shame is a secondary emotion. There's only two primary emotions, love or fear. And if you're not in this place of love, then you're moving into fear some way. And that story looks. It's just a different. It's just a different story for everybody. But the commonality is I'm terrified that I'm not enough, and I'm not doing it good enough, right? Like, I'M not good enough.
You know, and we see that with people. It doesn't matter. Again, socioeconomic, race, it doesn't matter. It's like, am I enough? Am I doing enough for my family? Am I doing enough for my life? Am I doing enough for my community? Am I doing enough for my world?
[00:37:55] Speaker D: It's so simple, beautiful.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm passing the mic, so, Kingsley.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: Yeah, No, I love that.
Where that was going.
Dive a little bit deeper into the.
Because I put this from Amanda and Michael, this idea of limiting beliefs. I'm curious how you. You start with a patient, Lori, with those limiting beliefs, and so walk us through that. Like, how does that begin? Do you sort of do a kind of like an interview and. And kind of gleam what. What the. The limiting beliefs are? And then. And then once you find out what those are, how do you. How do you break them down?
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Sure, sure. So usually the process looks, you know, in the beginning very much like coming to a doctor, right? Where somebody's going to spend the first couple sessions, like, telling me their story. And I'm looking at the whole story of what do they know about, you know, what is the word I'm looking for? What do they know about their journey from conception, okay, from conception to where they are now? And so there's that, you know, the story of what, who they are. There's the symptoms, there's the dietary stuff. There's all that. So I'm looking at this gigantic picture of this human in front of me. And as you're doing that interview process, you know, people naturally start sharing. You know, I know I should be doing this, but I don't do this. And I'll say, well, why? You know, I'm too busy. I'm too whatever. And you start to, you know, you start to see patterns. And so that's what I'm looking for as I do that interview process. You know, I'm gathering a bunch of data, and through that time frame, I'm starting to recognize some patterns. And usually those patterns, even though, again, they have different storylines, like, this is my pattern at work. Well, guess what? It's the same pattern I have at home with my mother. It's the same pattern I have with my partner. It's the same pattern I have with my kids. And it might be the same pattern I have in my community. So you start seeing some patterns that show up. And so then we'll start a conversation about that. And oftentimes, like I said, the conversation to me isn't enough. So from that point we'll move into either hypnotherapy, which is generally where I start with people, because through the hypnotherapy process, they start to understand what I call the map of going into their body, of relaxing, going into their body, having some material come up from that's in the subconscious that you can get to those core beliefs that you can get to when somebody's in a deeply relaxed state. And then they start to really experientially understand, okay, so they experientially understand where that pattern is stored in their body, what that emotional pattern feels like as it's stuck in the body. Okay, and then. And then how we release that and reframe that pattern. And so all that happens in the course of one session. And then when somebody understands the map of that and starts to trust the process of that and starts to trust the fact that I'm here to support them, I'm not going anywhere, not even in my head am I drifting off to think about what's happening, you know, for dinner tonight. You know, they start to feel that safety of that container. And then I move into breath work where I'm doing much less talking. And they can really go into their body because to me, I think the body is the thing that holds the most wisdom. Our brain can tell us all kinds of other things. It's so easy for our brain to get stuck on different topics or be distracted or, you know, watch a program. And we're not even sure what we're saying yes to as we watch the program, but somehow we're saying yes to it. And now we think that's our reality. When our body really knows what the reality is, it really. Because it's interacting with the current environment all the time. And so, yeah, so that's what it would be like. It would be to get them back into their body to experience the emotion, to reframe the belief, and then create a plan of how are you going to integrate that into your life now that you know this is what. You know where this story comes from and you've reframed it? How are you going to take that into your life? How are you going to take this new awareness in and speak your truth in your relationships? How are you going to make different choices for the food that you're eating? How are you going to say yes or no to the levels of intimacy that you want?
[00:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's really interesting, actually, because it's not really. Well, what. It's not really mainstream, I would say, because you know, we always think of like, well, the brain. It's all, you know, mental health, if you will, it's all about the brain, but you're saying is actually a huge body component of it. So that to me is really interesting.
[00:43:11] Speaker A: Yes. And mental health, I wish we could get, really eliminate that word, Kingsley, as far as mental health, because what we know now, that's common knowledge. Okay. So when I started all this over 30 years ago, it was like all woo woo stuff, right? Like it was all woo woo. Nobody really understood what was happening, although we knew it worked. Right. But now we have, we have so much science to back it up. And I have so much respect and love for the HeartMath Institute because I think there have been like such a huge, you know, a huge resource for this level of understanding that really didn't have any, a whole lot of other motivation around it in the beginning, except to build resiliency and to try to understand what that was. It wasn't like we're going to do this for pharmaceutical. It wasn't like we're, you know what I mean? It was kind of clean. And so now we really understand so much more that your mental health is not. It's not mental health, it's your freaking health. It's affecting at least 1400 chemical responses. It's shifting your whole biology.
So to me, mental health should be totally evacuated from the vocabulary of, of providers and really should be, you know, your health, your health is your wealth, your health is your vitality.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: Yes, love that. That's a great message.
Yeah, that's. You've opened my eyes for sure. And I understand why you and Amanda are friends.
You talked about the 1400 chemicals that shift.
Let's talk a little bit more about the tools you use because when you were introduced to Aya, I'm curious, how does that fit into your tool bag when you're treating a patient? Because it sounds like you're very sort of like intuitive about which direction to go with a patient, but talk to us about that.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So I really see Aya as a really beautiful intercurrent to what it is I'm doing on the weekly monthly. However many times people are coming to me, you know, in between visits.
So, you know, and I also let them know that I'm using Aya. I mean, one of the things I think is so valuable is that there's no hierarchy in my office. Like we're just two humans trying to figure things out and, you know, so I might use Aya to help me get A good night's sleep because I've had, you know, maybe a little bit more stressful day and I've done some other tools for myself, but I'm going to just add another layer and, and help use Aya for the Sonic supplements for sleep support.
And so I'll teach them how to use the Sonic supplements for a variety of things. Whatever they're struggling with might be anxiety, it might be focus, it might be immune support, it might be sleep support. So I love the Sonic supplements and being able to do that. And there's no language in there, so you can't get caught up in a story. You know, you can be. I encourage people to actually utilize headphones while they're listening to it, so. And be in a place where they can be quiet experiencing what's happening in their body. So that if the Sonic supplement is causing a little bit of chaos in their body, they know at this point how to move through that chaos and find a deeper state of where the music is really impacting them more fully. You know, really using it to help them connect that mind body approach.
So I use that quite a bit. And I also. What I also love is, you know, is using the Aya prompts for journal prompts. So if they're struggling with something on the day today or something that we've talked about and they want to explore that a little bit, or they can use Aya to help them see different perspectives around what's happening with the relationship with their mom or what they need to say, but they're afraid to say. And what would be the best way to say it in order to not get pulled into the victim triangle? Which is another thing I really do a lot of teaching on.
So I use the journal stuff quite frequently as well.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm interested about. I'm interested about the victim triangle. Tell us more about that. What is that about?
[00:47:52] Speaker A: Oh, sure. So the victim triangle is basically the ways that we get stuck in fear. So, you know, we have a triangle and at one point of the triangle is the victim, at another point of the triangle is the rescuer, and on the other end of the triangle is the persecutor. And we go round and round the triangle. So, you know, for example, and the triangle is held up by fear. Okay. So, for example, you know, you might have something that's happening where, you know, you're feeling like you're unloved, you're, you know, you're unworthy and somebody comes in to rescue you and all of a sudden you feel amazing. But if that person keeps rescuing you over and over again, it starts to feel kind of like restrictive, right? Because you don't have any room to breathe because somebody's always trying to do for you or whatever. And then you get resentful, and then you start saying really horrible things to somebody and pushing people away. And then, you know, you move back into the victim spot because, oh, my God, what a horrible person I am. Look what I did. Whatever. And we kind of go round and round that triangle in our relationships. Like, we just swap out who's going to be rescuing, who's going to be the one pissed off, you know, and we kind of do this back and forth. And I see this concept, this pattern as so embedded in the planetary culture, okay? And in the shamans, we would say that's sort of like this mythic realm that is a layer of. That surrounds us so subconsciously. I mean, you watch any Lifetime movie, you're going to see the victim triangle. You watch the news, you're going to see the victim triangle. You're going to see it everywhere. It's so embedded in us, you know, in politics. I mean, I could go on and on, but I don't want to raise any hairs with anybody. You know what I mean? But, like, you can see it everywhere. And that triangle, because it's created in fear, just keeps us feeling separate. And when we feel separate, what do we feel? More fear.
So we just. We keep, you know, recapitulating that. That same trauma cycle, if you will. And that's like, I think the deepest trauma cycle that's culturally and globally embedded. And maybe we could go as far as to say that's the duality of what we live in, of good and bad, black and white, fear and love, whatever, you know, whatever the duality exist, but I think that duality is always going to exist. But we can fine tune ourselves. We are the tuning fork, and we can fine tune ourselves to living again more in that place of love and less in that triangle of fear. And as we do that, we recognize how much control we have where we're giving our power away. You know, what is our power?
I hope that makes sense.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, it does.
Yeah. So you mentioned tuning.
And is. How do you see. How do you see music playing a role in that tuning? Because I've definitely experienced it myself where I'll be. I'll be feeling just. Maybe just tired. And I'll. I'll tell. I'll tell myself, okay, shift. You need to shift because, like, you need to just be Awake. And so. And I'll put on a sonic supplement.
You know, I'll select Energize and Wheel of Fortune. And.
And then I'll go for a walk. But explain what's happening there with the music and. And with my, you know, setting that intention.
Like, explain, like, how does that work as a tool?
[00:51:55] Speaker A: So it works as a tool because you're setting the intention. So whenever you're setting an intention, right, I'm intending for this to happen. We're giving.
We're giving our brain sort of the bone. This is what I focus on. And what you focus on increases. This is a law of the brain, okay? So if you focus on fear, fear is going to increase. That's all you're going to see is more fear. You focus on love, that's what's going to increase, okay? And your brain, it's an amazing magical thing, okay? But it's really not that magical. It's like what you focus on increases. It's very simple. So you set the intention that you're going to do this. I'm going to increase my focus, I'm going to increase my attention. I'm going to use the sonic supplement. And so there's already. Because you're focusing there, there's. There's a way that you're actually, like, subconsciously saying, yes, you're open to receive. This is my intention. Okay? Now I'm open to receive. What's coming back. Isn't that. Isn't that fascinating? Like, think about this, all right? And not just in the music, but in everything, okay? So we're already. We're already setting the vibration, the wave out, that physics wave out into the universe, all right? So there's one layer. So then the sonic supplement comes in, and music has been, you know, sound, sound therapy, sound has been used for centuries, millennia to help shift vibration and shift energy, move energy. We know that the native people, you know, when they would get done warring, like if they were doing, like a war thing, they would come back and they would. They would be around the fire, the men would be separated from the women, and they would be doing this war dance and telling the story. And the drums would be going and the movement and the dance would be happening so that they could discharge all of that energy and that trauma before they were welcomed back into the village where the women and the children were. So they weren't bringing all of that energy back into the village, which I think is a huge understanding that we could, like, really wrap our heads around in our society, right? But music, we also know that each note has the ability to shift water molecules.
We know this. Like this isn't woo woo anymore. We know this. And so music has a way of shifting the brainwaves of what's happening in our body.
So that's where I see the sonic supplements kind of coming in. Because all of this stuff we're saying yes to, our body is open to that awareness of it based on our intention. And then the music is just coming in and doing what music does, what we're. What we automatically say yes to because. Because the vibration is starting to resonate in the cells of our body and our cells are recognizing that as a yes. Does that make sense?
[00:54:48] Speaker D: Hey, can I add to that?
[00:54:49] Speaker A: Yes, please.
[00:54:51] Speaker D: That's wonderful. Because you sparked insight and memory in me.
Because it's interesting, you know, you. It's been used from forever, right? Since we could hit a stick against a tree, we were using sound intentionally for either insight, transformation or wellness, right? So for probably much longer period of time than modern history, modern days, we've been using sound and music intentionally, right? For to elicit some sort of response, whether it's insight or wellness, right? But then modern time comes and the radio comes, right? The phonograph and the vinyl records. And now music turns from this intentional deep thing that drives all the other frequency that around us. You know, we live in a frequency soup. We are all vibration. Even this table that I'm leaning on, everything's vibration, right? So we were, up until modern times, we were using music very intentionally, right? And then the phonograph came, vinyl records and da da da da. Now MP3 is in streaming now. Music has become predominantly entertainment right now. There's still a segment, it's niche, the sound therapists of the world that use it intentionally, right? But the vast world, you know, thinks of music as entertainment, right? It's the fun thing to do, which it is, right? It's both, right?
And the nice thing about iFit and what's really unique about it is that it's bringing back that intentionality within inside entertainment, right? Because we do everything from nature sounds to rock and roll, to edm, to, you know, to mellow in between, you know, study, work, music, right? So there's a whole, there's a broad catalog of different genres that tap into that, you know, music is entertainment mindset that most people have. But the intention, the driver of it is bringing back the ancient wisdom from the past that no music is a tool for, well, being, insight and vitality, right? However, now it's framed and it's packaged in a way to where it's more readily available to the average person that thinks of music as entertainment. Oh, so I can have entertainment and wellness at the same time. Right, right. So it's kind of like merging those two worlds together and. Do you mind if I share my screen, Kingsley?
[00:57:49] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:57:50] Speaker B: Go for it.
[00:57:52] Speaker D: Okay, so I'm going to.
Okay, so, you know, one reason for my know 50 questions, Lori, was because I was gathering insight to create the perfect Sonic supplement. Not only for. For us on this call, because we're all one. And if we're talking about self worth and being enough and I am lovable, then that's part of our collective consciousness as well. So I know that for myself to be true because, you know, self worth has been something that I've been kind of a. It's a theme, right? It's a reoccurring theme in my life. And I feel like, you know, each day, each week, each year, I rise above that and I stand in. I am worthy. I am, you know, enough. I am lovable. So this is a Sonic supplement that has been crafted just now based in this conversation, based off of this universal timing, off of your, you know, driving beautiful energy and life force, this has been spawned. And so this is for you to use in any manner you want. This is for you and your community if you want to share it with them.
And it's titled I am Worthy. Unlock the profound confidence within you as you embrace the mantra, I am worthy. I'm enough. I am lovable. Let the harmonizing frequencies of the Sonic supplement envelop you, dissolving self doubt and awakening your inner strength. Step boldly into your true essence, radiating love and self assurance. Now, I, I copied the link here and I, I put it in the chat so you can copy and paste that and then you can add it to your I account if you want, but I wanted to take a moment and listen and we can listen to the first, you know, minute or so of the first track and then I'll stop the music and then we'll kind of go quickly through each of these and kind of get the insights as they come from this 10 track sonic supplement. How's that sound?
[01:00:00] Speaker A: Great.
[01:00:01] Speaker D: Okay, so let's take a listen.
[01:00:05] Speaker A: When life tests, you'll be like a willow, strong enough to stand your ground, but flexible enough to bend without breaking.
[01:00:56] Speaker D: So I'm gonna go ahead and start. Stop that.
And let's take a look at what we have here. So for I am worthy, you know, each of these come in a specific order there it's, you know, Aya curates it based off of this prompt and then she goes into the RFM catalog and brings back to you the. The resonance frequency music that aligns with that need or ask for that prompt. Right. So in the situation we have flexible strength at 432 hertz. And you can always click on this tool tip and it'll give you kind of the message of that track and the frequency meaning.
And so the situation here for I am worthy is, you know, flexible strength, strength.
And then we move into the challenge and it's trust in autonomy. And if we click on that and I just stopped it because I want to just read this here. The message is empower the people around you by acknowledging their autonomy. Trust that others have their own wisdom and their own paths to follow.
Then we move into the focus sacral wave surge.
And we move into the recent past inner wisdom move into the possibilities fulfillness through selflessness.
The near future vibrant base flow.
Look at that vitality and energy that we're moving into the power. Strength is your foundational surge. Just to a look at that one really quick.
I feel the surge of energy from my foundation propelling me forward. My roots give me the strength to rise and conquer. This is in the frequency of 396Hz. You're unlocking the gateway to liberate yourself from fear and guilt. Heralded as the frequency of liberation, 396 Hz music sets the stage for profound personal transformation.
And then we move into the environment. That's what surrounds us. And we have vibrant silhouettes at 528 Hz which is also known as the love frequency, the frequency of transformation. And I celebrate the vibrant contours of my spirit, each one casting a brilliant light. By tuning the 528 frequency, you tap into the very essence of love and transformation. Often hailed as a miracle tone. With the frequency of love, our 528 Hz music beckons deep emotional healing and a surge of spiritual enlightenment.
Then we move into swilo your hopes. And this is wholeness.
And that's. That's what we're really searching for here is in I am worthy, I am enough and I am lovable is just stepping into your overall wholeness. And that's at 528 hertz as well. And the outcome is Fe who Prosperity at 528 hertz.
And let's go ahead and just listen to the first, you know, 30 seconds of this and kind of get grounded on the outcome. But I'm going. I'm going to enjoy kind of listening to this entire track, maybe in the background as I work later and just kind of infuse this I am worthy deeper into my vibrational essence. Let's have a listen.
[01:04:29] Speaker A: Abundance flows freely towards me, unlocking wealth and success.
[01:04:40] Speaker B: Hey, Michael.
[01:04:42] Speaker D: Yep.
[01:04:44] Speaker B: I was made aware that you might be tight on time.
[01:04:49] Speaker D: Oh, okay. So, all right, let's. Let's.
Let's resolve them.
[01:04:54] Speaker B: And I've said this right at my 11. 11. So this is. This must be. This must be the path.
And yeah, I. I hate to cut this short because I always feel like we get this momentum and it's like right around this time and then it's like, really going. So we definitely have to do a part two with you, Laurie.
[01:05:18] Speaker A: Oh, thanks.
[01:05:19] Speaker B: And yes, I know Amanda wanted to say some more things as well. So we will do a part two and thank you for sharing this I am worthy supplement.
Yeah. So any final words, Amanda?
[01:05:37] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. Well, Lori Thiel, psychiatric nurse practitioner, you know that that whole idea of mental health is really the brain's interpretation of our overall health and vitality, you know, and that's one of the things that is so unique and different about Lori as a mental health practitioner. There's the work that I do as a physical therapist in trauma. There's very few mental health practitioners that see the physical body and see the level of transformation that's possible the same way that Lori does, you know. And yes, I know a lot about health on a very deep level, and I use a model of biochemistry, biomechanics, and bioelectrical and, like, what's out of balance, you know, so. But if Amanda Carpenter was sick and ill and couldn't make her own decisions, Lori would be the one that would step in and make my decisions because she knows, you know, she knows the body at the same level that I do. She knows my unique values. She sees the world the same way. And she is a powerful female who would definitely be there by my bedside challenging the status quo to make sure that I got the care that I fight for others for. So I appreciate you dearly, Laura. You are the same human being, whether we're working together with a trauma client and holding our most professional vibe, or we're playing on the beach together. And I so appreciate that about you. The way that you see mental health and the way that you see the world, there's so much wisdom within you, yet when you speak, it sounds like it's such a. It's such a simplistic way. Right? And I want the world to know that she can speak this way because of all the science behind everything that she has learned in this lifetime, in previous ones as well. And there is such deep wisdom in all of her words. And at the end of the day, she. She knows that it is easy. She knows that it is simple, rather, but it is not easy. And the level of transformation and the journey that you take your patients on, you make it as easy and as loving as you possibly can be. And I just so appreciate that you have stepped outside of the status quo of the mental health world and you see your patients to that complete healing, you take them to that complete transformation of bringing them home to their own hearts of self. Love. And I so appreciate that for you and with you and love that you're on this journey of Aya with me as our mental health representative on our medical board. So thank you and I love you.
[01:08:07] Speaker A: Thank you.
[01:08:10] Speaker B: Yes, thank you for joining us.
Michael, I know you have to go, but Lori, any final words?
[01:08:18] Speaker A: No, just thank you. Thanks for the opportunity to sit and, and share with each of you. And I look forward to more conversation and more sharing and definitely way more circles of holding hands around the fire.
[01:08:32] Speaker D: Thank you, Lori. It was wonderful. Okay, until next time. Much love.
[01:08:36] Speaker A: Bye. Bye.
[01:08:37] Speaker C: Take care. Love you. Bye.
[01:08:40] Speaker B: Thank you for joining us on this episode of Harmonize youe Life. We hope you found inspiration and practical insights to enhance your wellbeing. Until next time, stay well and keep shining.
